{"municipality_id":"albany-county/bethlehem","meeting_id":"granicus-2405","meeting_date":"2026-01-07","text":"Thank you. We are now recording. Good evening. Today is Wednesday, January 7th, 2026, and this is a regularly scheduled meeting of the Town of Bethlehem Zoning Board of Appeals. Please note that these proceedings are being video recorded and will be available for viewing. on the Town of Bethlehem website, and they're also broadcast on the Bethlehem Community Network television service. Accessible via Spectrum Channel 1301 and Verizon Fios Channel 28. With a quorum of five board members present, I now call this meeting to order at 6 p.m. I do have some comments prior to getting into the meeting. I would like to express my gratitude to staff for a great year 2025. We had a lot of applications come over. There were a lot of changes that we experienced. I would just like to thank the building department. You guys do an outstanding job. Thank you for what you do. There's a lot going on in town. I appreciate, and I'm sure the rest of the board appreciates, your hard work and diligence on keeping things running. And I'd also like to thank my board colleagues. You know, I think what we do here within the community is important. It's an important part of town government. And I would like to thank you for your service and look forward to a great 2026. Hopefully we can learn to use the microphones because we have some things up here. So we'll make that a priority moving forward. So with that, we'll get into the regular business here. We've got a public hearing. Our first public hearing is for a tabled application submitted by Jeff Young of 345 Delaware Avenue, LLC, for signage located at 345 Delaware Avenue in Delmar. We should note that this variance was before the board on July 17, 2024. Mr. Yeiser may I have a reason for the hearing please Yes Mr. Chairman The applicant is proposing to install a freestanding sign That will be set back 4 feet from the property line Which is 6 feet short of the required 10 feet Also the proposed sign will be 54 square feet Which is 34 square feet over the loud 20 Lastly the proposed sign will be 12 feet Which is 2 feet over the loud 10 The lot is located in the Hamlet district and is currently a professional office. Thank you. I make a motion to indent the public hearing notice into the minutes. May I have a second, please? Second. Bye, Mr. Coffey. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Come on up to the microphone. Make sure we speak into the microphone so everybody can hear you. You're kind of a tall guy, so you're going to have to pull it up. Can everybody hear me? No. If you can't hear yourself out there, nobody can hear you. Is that better? There you go. Perfect. There we go. Thank you. So I'm Jeff Young. I'm here representing 345 LLC. Looking for a variance to expand the signage due to we are expanding in our tenants, have some more tenants in there, and need to be able to have proper visual of signage for people coming up and down Delaware Avenue. So in that, the first picture here, I'm showing the current sign, which is smaller and representative of what the signage would look like, taller with size signage for people to be able to see going up and down Delaware Avenue. I'm Delaware Avenue side Thank you. so you know there are actually there's two signs on the property we back up to hall it backs up to Hallwood so there's a sign on on the Hallwood side of the property too. That side is going to stay where it is? That is also it's going to stay where it is it's just gonna we need to make it similar size to the front one the front one that we were showing in the so I have a so on the back side well it's the The current one is behind the taller structure that is showing what the signage would look like on the backside as far as height-wise. We would properly trim the tree so that we could accommodate for the sign on the back of Hallwood so that we are not taking down any trees or anything of that nature. okay so now you can see where the current sign is on the hallwood side in the back of the building is okay i'm showing a picture of the medrite sign which was approved for a variance And that is a 10-foot-tall sign just up the road at 363. There was also... At 266 Delaware Avenue, there was also a variance given for the sign at the new Hot Works. That was 17 feet tall also. So I'm going, I have on here 12 feet, but after doing some dimensions, I would be more than happy to comply with a 10-foot tall height sign, and I think it would be more than applicable for what my tenants would need and size of font that we would be able to use so that people could see going up and down Delaware Avenue. So the 10-foot requirement, that would mean you wouldn't need that specific variance? I wouldn't be over on the height. I would be over on the square footage. The square foot but not the height. MR. Correct. And I just wanted to clarify. So when you were here last time, I have my notes. MR. Okay. And we were talking about that there were two signs. The front sign, you just needed a size variance for the square foot, but not a setback. You just needed the size and the height. Correct. Correct. And then for the rear sign, you needed three different variances, setback, the size and the height. When I'm saying size, I mean square foot. You're saying square foot, yes. So would we not be looking for the, if I go down to 10 feet, I'm 100 feet. You wouldn't be looking for the grandparents. Yes. If I can, like, cross that out. You can cross that one out, correct. And then you wouldn't need the setback on the front. Correct. And I was just, if, you don't have to go back to that picture, but you had it, it would just be in the exact spot where the sign is now, but then rotated. Correct, 90 degrees rotated. So not right up against the wall like that. On the front side of the building? It would have to be, yes, it would be slightly off the wall, but to stay within my setback, I do have to slide it, the backside of it, closer to the building than what it currently is. Right. It wouldn't be. It's not right up against the building. No, it wouldn't be directly up against the building, but it would be slid back a little bit on the 90 degree, when we switch it to 90 degree, to stay within that variance. where they're in my setback. Mr. Young, with the shrinking of the two feet, what would the dimensions be for the actual sign, since I think the square footage should decrease as well as the height, right? Correct. It would now be, instead of 12 feet tall, it would be 10 feet tall by four foot six wide okay so that'd be a decrease from 54 that you're asking down to 46 square feet correct so eight square feet difference okay thank you mr young let me ask you a question sure the sign on the building is that going to remain or is that going to come down that is currently going to remain i did i was able to obtain a assigned permit for it when when that tenant did go in and it was applied for now if it was something that we needed to remove because of this i think we could we could do that also so your proposed sign will replace the smaller sign in front of it correct correct thank you So what is the number of signs? Is it one per side? One per street? So being a through a lot, he's allowed to have two. Right. So we could make the requirement that he remove the sign on the building. Yeah, if you guys would like to put that in the resolution, that would be... I mean, I'd leave it up. I'd put it out to the board. I mean, it's, what do you, is there any thoughts on whether or not we require that or? He doesn't need a variance, correct, for having two signs. Two freestanding signs? No. The wall sign, he can have irregardless. That's separate from the freestanding signs. Right, so he could have both and it would be fine. Yes. And that tenant is still there. Correct. So I'm fine with it staying, but I don't know what my other... Nothing's lit either, so it's not like we're creating a lighting issue or anything like that. Do you have a mock-up of the sign? I'm just curious. I do not right now because I'll be honest, I just added three new tenants, so I don't have their current PDFs and everything yet. I just have a slight concern on the sign in the back just because of the height. How far off the side of the road or the street is that sign? I mean, granted, you're already kind of at ground level within four feet. having it taller i don't know what the impact would be necessarily you know it's from a from a site you know a line of sight issue he would be 29 feet from the middle of hallwood so about 17 feet from edge of pavement to the closest edge to of the side So if somebody were to pull out enough to see around the sign, there wouldn't be any? There shouldn't be any. You could still safely get out and be on the sign. Yeah, it should be about 17 feet from that white line to the left corner of the sign. Okay. I might be wrong about this, but I think there's a little bit of an incline, too, going up into that parking lot. So I think that helps. I mean, I think that helps with the visibility. Right? From the street, the sign's, like, kind of going to be up a little. Yes. It would be. It's probably a 12-inch incline going in. I just drove by there and noticed that. Itch of that much more. now with the front sign being that it's on Delaware Avenue do we need any more approvals on that or does this have to go through you know the state or the county Albany County already had deferred to local consideration when we first submitted it in 2024 very good I don't have any additional questions to any members of the board Do you have any? Do you have any? One more. Just to clarify. Sorry. Just to clarify, the sign is not illuminated. Correct. And the sign on the front, I know you just said it would, it's not going to be illuminated. Would there also be, I thought I saw something in one of the applications, I believe it might have been yours, that it will have date and time? No, I did not have any, no date and time on mine. Thank you. The sign on the wall, we really don't have the purview to eliminate that. It's there. It would just be up to Jeff if he wanted to do that, correct? We can't require him to take that down because it's there. I don't think from my seat that I'm going to make the request. So whether we have the ability to or not, I'll just... I agree. I'll remain silent on that as far as that part's concerned. I don't have a problem with it either. I was just saying I don't think we really have the authority to do that. Can I just ask about the back sign? The concern was site-wise if it's too high or if it's too low? I'm just concerned being able to see around it. Okay. And I think it's going to be thin enough and it will be back off the road enough that it won't impede any sight lines. There's already a short sign there anyway. I just, you know, doing my due diligence on it just to make sure, you know. Okay. And also, I think if you tried to move the sign back to fit within the setback. I'm in the parking lot. Right, exactly. There's nowhere to put it. I mean, in the parking lot, I guess. Yeah. And not only that, you may run into issues with the wiring for the street lights or the parking lot lights. So there could be some complications with that as well. Any additional questions? Okay. Thank you very much. Do you have any other questions of us? No. Thank you. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak in favor of or in opposition of the application not seeing anybody I would unless there's any further questions or discussion. I move to close the public hearing and to take action under the discussion phase of the meeting May I have a second on the motion, please I can't Second by miss miss assignments all in favor. I Thank you. I don't believe we have any informational items we do have one application to accept so we have an application for Saxton sign LLC on behalf of paint works for 43 frontage road the applicant is proposing to install a new freestanding sign that does not meet the square footage and has the electronic messaging which is not authorized under town zoning law with that I would are there any Are there any questions on the application, first of all? I'm not seeing any. I make a motion to accept the application as submitted and set a public hearing for Wednesday, January 21, 2026. May I have a second on the motion, please? Second. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. I don't believe we have any resolutions this evening, so we come to the signs on 345 Delaware Avenue I guess I will start off with this you know we heard this application back in the summer of 24 so we this is kind of a repeat we have a pretty good understanding at this point with the understanding I suppose that the signs are going to be decreased in height from 12 feet to 10 feet decreasing the square footage from I believe it was 54 square feet down to 40 square feet I think you know signage is one of those things there's signs that are necessary and and location with this having a back parking lot like it is an identification I think it's important I don't believe that there's going to be any any issues regarding safety and going through the the balance testing undesirable change in the neighborhood or character detriment to nearby properties. I don't believe so. This is a corridor with multiple businesses. We had two approvals recently within the past few years on Delaware Avenue, which were very similar in the requests, and we haven't had any issues or complaints on those. So I think as far as the character is concerned, it does not change the character of the neighborhood. whether it can be achieved by other means feasible to the applicant. We appreciate you modifying your request and decreasing the size. I think that goes to showing your willingness to work with the town on the request and making the sign request as small as possible as far as the variance is concerned. I don't believe there will be any adverse physical or environmental effects. You know, visually, if you keep in a similar style as you have there, I don't think that there will be a problem. And as far as being self-created, I don't believe it may be self-created, but it does not in my opinion impact the other four items. So with that I guess I would go to my right. Mr. Vargas, any thoughts? I would agree with the chairman and I would recommend supporting your request. Thank you. I also agree with the chairman. I don't have anything additional to add. Just on the sign that appears on the side of the building from an aesthetics perspective, it maybe is a little busy having both signs, but I don't think we have any basis for saying you have to take it down. That's all I hope. Thank you. I'm also in favor of granting the variance. And I think in terms of the sign in the rear, that signage is pretty important for the business. You know, going back there, you kind of are like, where am I going? I also think that the, you know, for the setback variance, you really can't put the sign anywhere else. It's basically replacing an existing sign that is already probably not within the setback. So I agree with the chairman about all the factors. So for that reason, I would grant it. Thank you. I, too, am in favor of granting the variance. Just for the record, I think Craig said it was 46 square feet. Is that what it was? And I think, Jeremy, you said 40. Just so the records reflect. Correct. It's 46. It would be 46 square feet. Okay. I stand corrected. Thank you. Yeah, that's the only thing. Otherwise, I think it's, you know, it's in keeping with what the Chairman said as far as the five balancing factors that we have to consider. And once again, I concur and think the variance should be granted. Thank you. Unless there are any additional questions or any additional discussion, I make a motion to approve the application. May I have a second, please? Second. by Mr. Vargas. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Council will draft up a resolution and we will likely get it hopefully by the next board meeting. I had spoken to him earlier on and he had a conflict this evening and could not attend. So thank you. With that, we'll get into the meeting minutes approval. Has anyone had the opportunity to review the minutes from Wednesday, December 4th, 2025 as drafted? And And if so, any questions or comments on it? Seeing none, I make a motion to accept the minutes as drafted. May I have a second, please? Second. Mr. Coffey, all in favor? Aye. Thank you. And finally, adjournment. The next regularly scheduled meeting of the Zoning Board of Appeals will be held on January 21, 2026 at 6 p.m. Please check the town's website or contact the office for any changes or cancellations. Seeing that there's no further business to attend to, I make a motion to adjourn the meeting. may I have a second please? Second. I'm Ms. Fitzsimons. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. 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